r/pcmasterrace • u/3nnb • 15d ago

News/Article The PS5 system itself is running on pc

Recently, we have seen massive developments in PS5 emulators (such as shadPS4 and Kyty), and how rapidly they have progressed in a short period.

​Now, developers have successfully booted the actual PS5 system software on PC.

​If this momentum continues in the future, it will eventually allow players to run PS5 exclusives directly on PC, marking the end of the era of console exclusivity.

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u/kr0n0sShrugg3d 15d ago

When Ai takes developer's jobs: 🥰

When Ai takes artist's jobs: 🤬

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u/Nighthunter007 Ryzen 7 3700x | RTX 2080ti | 32GB RAM | EK Cryo Loop | RGB 15d ago

I think there's a bit of Jevons Paradox going on in the world of software. Increased efficiency is leading to more software being produced. And the coders are still there, because if you tell the ai "build a ps5 emulator" you will get nonsense. There needs to be a competent human involved.

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u/throwaway490215 15d ago

I'm sure a lot of people will disagree, but the average dev at the average company is vastly underappreciated as people seem to approach them with an 'off-by-1' error.

They think of them as parts of the IT silo, a subsection or as an assembly worker to some product.

Devs are manager level position. HR is a bit different as functions don't call in sick, turnover rate for ideas is different as people expect re-orgs to be done in weeks what management will allow months if not years for humans, but devs are at the heart managing the processes of an organization.

As AI improves, we'll find more and more companies have to change culture to adapt to that.

Companies who value their skill of 'human powered work' are going to get left behind the places where software experts are placed as peers in the top level meetings that set company workflows.

Companies that have done this in the past 2 decades have been some of the most successful, but it wasn't a full-blown trend yet. With AI the benefits to do so has increased dramatically.

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u/BorKon 15d ago

You are missing the point. Yes you still need developer to be involved. Only that you dont need 50 people for something, you need only 5. And as this continues to improve you will need less and less.

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u/iloveuranus 15d ago

This. As a software developer I can confidently say that everything else is copium.

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u/Nighthunter007 Ryzen 7 3700x | RTX 2080ti | 32GB RAM | EK Cryo Loop | RGB 15d ago

Precisely, just as when James Watt invented a more efficient steam engine and Britain's coal consumption was reduced as a result.

What's that? Coal consumption actually increased because increased efficiency lead to increased demand? Economics is actually quite complex and hard to make easy predictions about?

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u/jaxonya 15d ago

But the thing is, thats going to end.

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u/OpenCatPalmstrike 15d ago

Is it? Even in the days of automation where a machine can bore 10k holes/hour and cut 100,000 bolts and nuts in half a day and can machine out 50,000 fittings.

There's still a need for the guy who can do it by hand and can cut them so perfectly that air pressure will eject the fitting, or bolt and strip the threads out. Skill isn't something that gets tossed in the dustbin.

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u/ZeroV2 15d ago

True, but now you need a team of 5 guys who can do precision work instead of the 5 guys who do precision and the 5000 who do mass production.

Top tier coders and devs will babysit AI code and entry level or journeymen will have to find something else to do

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u/jaxonya 15d ago

I have no idea how that works, im a nurse. But a lot of your jobs seem vulnerable. Im putting my kids in nursing/rt/pt school when its time. Patient care cannot be replicated. But i fear most of the near future is fucked

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u/OpenCatPalmstrike 15d ago

A machine can't replace skill in innate knowledge learned through experience, it can't replace someone who is skilled and can walk out into the asshole of nowhere with a short lathe and a welder either. Or haul in 250lbs of equipment to do remote work. It can replace quantity of something, but that's it.

My job isn't anywhere near vulnerable. And I get the premiums of that skill as well.

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u/FootwearFetish69 15d ago

This isn't taking developers jobs.

Someone who can actually code is way more effective when using these tools compared to someone without coding experience. Companies aren't hiring the latter to develop.

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u/xaxis-yaxis 15d ago

Which is exactly what we see in the market now, there's way less graduate and junior roles available than there were even a few years ago.

Companies are gonna realise there's a shortage of competent senior developers down the line simply because there aren't enough juniors getting experience.

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u/Hjemmelsen 15d ago

Companies are gonna realise there's a shortage of competent senior developers down the line simply because there aren't enough juniors getting experience.

Would be nice. It's been over a decade since companies around here regularly hired trainees for IT.

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u/AMATEUR_DE_POUTINE 15d ago

Yes! And my generation of dev are going to start retiring pretty much at the worst time for the industry. We will have very well paid gigs once this start.

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u/Tuna-Fish2 15d ago

It has absolutely wrecked the junior hiring pipeline, though. If you are an experienced developer, you can get paid more today than you could get a few years ago. If you are a fresh grad, fuck you I guess.

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u/FootwearFetish69 15d ago

If you are a fresh grad, fuck you I guess.

More to do with overhiring during covid and industry self-correction than AI.

I work for a multinational tech company that didn't go overboard during covid with remote hires and we're still bringing in junior devs every month. Cohort of 10 starting this week.

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u/MammothCommercial800 15d ago

Not taking developers jobs?

Are you trolling, or just really badly informed? Senior devs are still doing ok (for now), but the market for entry-level devs is in shambles.

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u/FootwearFetish69 15d ago

Are you trolling, or just really badly informed?

Nope, I just exist in the real world. Software companies aren't replacing developers with Claude.

but the market for entry-level devs is in shambles.

Yeah, because of massive overhiring during covid. The job market is resetting. This was projected years ago. Has nothing to do with AI.

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u/ImperialKilometer 15d ago

This isn't taking artists jobs.

Someone who can actually make art is way more effective when using these tools compared to someone without art-making experience. Companies aren't hiring the latter to make art.

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u/LibatiousLlama 15d ago

I have a brother who runs a small business. Before he would have been forced to pay somebody for simple logos and similar. He did when he first made his logo.

Now it's just gen AI. Would all of his gen AI have resulted in commissioned art? No. But some of it would have.

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u/ImperialKilometer 15d ago

I have a brother who runs a small business. Before he would have been forced to pay somebody for simple website and similar. He did when he first made his website.

Now it's just gen AI. Would all of his gen AI have resulted in commissioned webstie? No. But some of it would have.

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u/LibatiousLlama 15d ago

Yeah man we haven't needed developers to make websites for 15 years. There are off the shelf tools that are cheaper for most small businesses to click and drop them.

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u/ImperialKilometer 15d ago

Yeah that was EXACTLY my point. Websites. Nothing else. There was no way I was making general point. Nope can't be that.

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u/FootwearFetish69 15d ago

Very smart comment. Bet you felt good writing that.

Now go try to actually find a job application willing to hire you to vibe code with no experience.

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u/ImperialKilometer 15d ago

Very smart comment. Bet you felt good writing that.

Now go try to actually find a job application willing to hire you to vibe art with no experience.

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u/FootwearFetish69 15d ago

Link to the comment where I said literally anything about art. Three comments in this thread and they are all the same braindead attempt at a gotcha. Write a sentence like a normal person you fucking goof.

Room temperature IQ around these parts.

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u/ImperialKilometer 15d ago

This isn't taking developers jobs.

Someone who can actually code is way more effective when using these tools compared to someone without coding experience. Companies aren't hiring the latter to develop.

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u/FootwearFetish69 15d ago

Appreciate you proving my point. Hope your brain damage improves some day.

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u/nokafein 15d ago

Someone who can create art is way more effective using these tools compared to someone without drawing/editing/photography/animation/writing experience.

See, it applies to all disciplines.

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u/FootwearFetish69 15d ago

So it's a tool that professionals can use. But companies won't take proficiency in that tool as a replacement for experience.

Where's the issue exactly?

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u/real_hooman 15d ago

The massive developments in modding and emulation over the last few days is not even making paying jobs more efficient.

Translating the 1s and 0s that a program is run on into a "source code" that can then be run on other hardware or operating systems is what the latest AI models do to make this possible. Previously a human would have to painstakingly do this by trial and error, and since the people who own the copyright to this code already have the real source code (unless they lost it) there was not really anyone doing this for an employer.

I'm sure I'm missing something and that this will affect jobs in some other way, but so far I've only seen this help fan projects and pirates.

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u/PortugalTheTram 15d ago

Regardless of how right or wrong this is right now, we are at the very beginning of this process. Enterprise usage of these tools is very new. In 5 years, this is going to look massively different and the models will be even better and easier to use. It’s only going to get worse for developers.

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u/FootwearFetish69 15d ago

In 5 years, this is going to look massively different and the models will be even better and easier to use. It’s only going to get worse for developers.

Same thing accountants said when excel came out.

There is always going to be a need to understand coding. The tooling and methodologies change but no, AI isn't going to remove the need for programmers to exist. If you knew how these tools operated you would understand that.

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u/FortyEightyFilms 15d ago

When I worked in state gov, there were 50+ year olds whose entire job was sending a few emails and printing a few things. And they could barely do that. I think they will lose their jobs before skilled developers.

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u/That_wet_vaporeon 15d ago

This sub is moving goalposts now.

Just admit you guys do like AI. You can’t cherry pick

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u/FootwearFetish69 15d ago

I'm not "this sub". I never said I had any issue with AI in this context.

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u/ABSNegativeOne 15d ago

People getting mad at others for using Ai to make memes arent worth engaging with lol. They cant grasp having a different set of skills than making memes by hand. Artwork is different, but why should we limit ourselves in creativity? Isnt the whole point of being creative to push new boundaries from what previously existed

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u/Red2005dragon 12d ago

Because an AI taking an artists job = worse product because AI is deterministic and produces samey slop. Good news for AI is that coding is deterministic and "samey slop" is actually a handy trait to have since that means you know roughly what it's gonna do when you ask.

And as others have highlighted, you need someone with atleast a modicum of knowledge driving the thing because AI can and does go on random side-tangents and waste time/tokens on nonsense. You need someone with the time and capability to recognize when that is happening and reel it back.

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u/Problemzone PC Master Race 15d ago

But that should be the final goal. Use Ai to automate work and free humanity to do arts etc.

Now we do the opposite. Remove arts and increase work.

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u/kr0n0sShrugg3d 15d ago

It is certainly taking jobs. The hiring within our org (a major service in one of the major cloud providers) has been put on a hold with the entry level jobs being filled by interns. New SDEs have no idea on how to debug code or critically think the decisions behind it, most of the questions are answered with, Ai did it.

Leadership on the other end thinks Ai is a magic bullet that is answer to everything without even knowing how to use it.

This is coupled with a burnout for senior developers as you now have to wade through massive amount of unverified but tested content that has been created. In addition to that they are shutting sister teams across geographies because they do not need the headcount they used to.

It also took away the fun part of problem solving and writing code.

So yes it is taking dev jobs away.

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u/BonkerBleedy 15d ago

Developers are the ones letting it happen. I've never seen an industry so ready to delete its own jobs.

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u/SonsOfHonor 15d ago

There is resistance. And pain that the craft we spent so long honing has died. But in the end we’re being shown an open door that we can either walk through, or not and our kids starve. For better or worse devs are at the forefront of the adoption and change is the name of the game. This change is different and will lead to our doom. Do we make hay while the sun shines? Or be the limb that is cut off early?

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u/BonkerBleedy 15d ago

Nobody is shoving that cat back in the bag. It's sad, because writing code is a fun puzzle on its own, but many (most?) developers care about output more than process. I'm not sure the same is true for artists.

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u/Weaselot_III RTX 3060; 12100 (non-F), 16Gb 3200Mhz 15d ago

What does this code revolution mean for app security? There's been no shortage of jank coming from Microsoft and nvidia and it's likely not just them either. The devs at both those companies are definitely NOT incompetent and yet even they produce questionable work...what more of solo devs?

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u/BonkerBleedy 15d ago

If the big labs stop clutching their pearls and blocking cybersecurity work using their models, then app security should improve overall.

You only need one critical bug to be vulnerable, and combing through millions of lines of code is something LLMs are reasonably good at.

Essentially, developers can burn tokens securing software so that malicious actors have to burn more attacking it. Right now, frontier labs detect cybersecurity work and switch to a less competent model.

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u/_dekoorc 9800X3D | 5070 Ti | 64GB DDR5-6000 CL30 15d ago

I mean, as a developer, I really don't like my job now that I'm expected to use AI to write code, but you better believe I'm going to keep doing it and keep the salary coming in. The job is way worse than it used to be though -- it's all planning and review and no actual problem solving. But it still pays well and will still need someone that knows how to code (and plan features) to write prompts and review.

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u/kr0n0sShrugg3d 15d ago

After years of automating other jobs to extinction, developers automated themselves away.