...I pushed it.

On a re-listen through the series, actually started chuckling when I realized this line was coming up.

He really does just go through life like that.

James Pinche Holden.

They can easily start shooting season 7 in like 10 years with the same cast and it’ll be perfect. Wes Chatham should stop getting Botox now tho

In Cibola burns I wish the part of the investigator were included.

God the last part of Miller and Julie talking, him wishing to have a little more time, Julie comparing him to Peter Pan because he let everyone's consciousness finally being able to die, how he lead everyone to heaven, all of it is so beautiful!

But my favorite part is the investigator between chapter 44 and 45 where Miller talk about not having a place he belong anymore, about his love for Julie and how he view Holden is gut wrenching, he sound more broken than ever even through the protomolecule.

It would have been so good to see it in the show but it would have been kinda hard to film it I understand but it's such a shame! (I also hate how Bull was sideline, him in book 3 was one of the best part in my opinion)

The more I think about it the more I realize that without Miller getting infected a lot of things would have ended up REALLY badly (also without Holden I think the end of book 9 would have been a total tragedy.)

I've seen the series twice and immediately loved it. I finally picked up the books because everyone said I had to read them to appreciate the story to it's fullest.

For me - the biggest paradigm shift is how fucking great the first several season of the TV show are. They really captured the spirit and brought the universe to life.

Absolutely amazing

She had experienced so much loss and heartbreak and became so strong, hard and fierce, that a Bhagavad Gita-esque "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds" reckoning was obvious. Epic disappointment it never came. This show was epic, but that "missed opportunity" is a glaring defect.

I checked the books and in the show, she was a composite of several book characters, and transformed into a major character. They liked Cara Gee's performance. Well. Perhaps they didn't want to go Full Tilt with this fictitious fictional character in respect to the other characters.

So I see 2 questions: 1) Were other people wanted a Camina Armageddon? or 2) What did readers of the book think? and of her being a modified composite?

Hey all, coming here because I’m wondering if I should continue with the show. I’ve heard good things about The Expanse, and my wife and I decided to delve in and we’ve been binging through the first couple seasons. One problem though…we’ve been more “whelmed” by the show than anything.

Not really sure how else to say this, but I feel like the character writing (acting?) is our biggest complaint with the show. We feel essentially no attachment to the Roci crew…I think I *get* the intention with Holden “becoming” the captain after being dismissive of it in the first episode, but I feel like there’s not really a strong “why” behind it...it feels to me like it’s more associated with “the plot needs him to act this way to progress” than anything presented in the show. Naomi is kind of a mess, we see her being very passionate about supporting/saving the crew but then she’s willing to sacrifice herself and endanger the Roci crew to save the 50 refugees at the end of season 2...end of story they all lucked out with everyone being saved. something about this didn’t sit right with me and was too inconsistent with her character, and it really just felt like bad writing of a “hero looks out for the needy” trope to me. Alex and Amos we don’t have as big problems with, Alex we like the most. Also, was it just me or did the show imply that Amos got that memory wipe to his brain the other protomolecule scientists had and it’s gone nowhere? It could just be us.

Another minor nitpick - the Roci crew started as haulers, and then it quickly escalated to “we need to save everyone”. I feel like that’s not a strong enough why for them to be doing this…it quickly ramped up, and now they’re playing hero ball endangering their lives every episode. Just seems off to me.

We also heard good things about the back half of Season 3 being one of the highlights of the show. The first couple episodes I was right there - the Ring is a really interesting concept and those first episodes leading up to Holden + Gunny and the Martians meeting inside the sphere are honestly fantastic. But then things slow down again, and we find out the finale of the season is leading towards…everyone powering down their ships. I feel like this just fell a bit flat for us for such a hyped up moment of the show.

Anyway, we’ve got Season 4 up next, and we weren’t huge fans of the first episode. To be fair, we’re excited for the mystery of the protomolecule/origins/all that cool stuff, and now it seems like we’ll have to slog through 10 episodes of Holden and Naomi playing babysitter to the Belters on New Terra. Should we keep trucking through, or is this a spot where it makes sense to stop based on our thoughts so far? Appreciate any suggestions, thanks all.

EDIT: Appreciate all the comments, and just want to clarify - we HAVE enjoyed parts of the show. Most of Season 1 + when Miller met Julie on Eros was pretty great. Since Eros hit Venus it’s been hit or miss, but mostly a miss for us. Character development/acting is overall our #1 criticism of the show, with the writing/certain plot points being #2.

In chapter 41, when Alex and Naomi are waiting in front of the Freehold gate, Naomi's PoV mentions that the gate is stationary relative to the Freehold sun, and that the Roci needs to do a gentle burn to balance out its pull.

I was wondering just how gentle. If we assume that the Freehold sun is about one solar mass, that the gate is a similar distance as the Sol gate (approx. 21 AU), and that the Roci's mass is the TV show's official value of 4,770 metric tons, the Roci's Epstein drive would have to impart a measly 64 Newtons. In other words, you could strap yourself to the gate and hold the Roci in place with about the same force as carrying a grocery bag. Surprising that the Epstein drive can even run that low

I refuse to accept that is Avassaralas husband and not her new campaign manager/gay best friend and confidant. What happened to sweet grandpa Arjun that softened her and didn’t care about politics? It’s so bizarre, it’s takes me away from the immersion because it’s so jarring

I just finished my third rewatch of the show and my first since finishing the books earlier in the year. Season 6 feels so different knowing what so many of the Laconia scenes are building to. I feel even more disappointed that there aren’t more seasons. I really wish they’d reboot the show and finish it properly. As it currently stands all the stuff with Duarte feels like just filler in the season. Overall though I didn’t have a lot of moments where I felt like the books did something better. I enjoy the show just as much as books. Oddly the only omission that really stood out to me was when rewatching the Ilus arch I feel like it would have been nice if they’d been able to keep the book’s inclusion of Havelock. I also wish the tunnel and transit system aspect of Ilus hadn’t been removed for the TV adaptation.

One thing the I love most about the show is Shohreh Aghdashloo’s performance. Including her earlier in the narrative than the books do was a smart move imo.

What do you all think were good changes made in the TV adaptation and what do you wish had not been cut or changed?

As a hardcore fan of The Wire for almost twenty years, I know the vicarious joy of someone encountering my favorite thing for the first time. I show it to people and hang around that sub waiting for reactions to certain beats. It seems I can pay some of that back, because this show is unbelievably insanely crazy good.

People comparing me to stuff is what makes me watch things. Wolf Hall, yeah, fair, that's my personality and thought process and morality. This, disappointingly I think it's just because I look almost exactly like Thomas Jane. Seriously. People keep telling me to watch this because I'm smart and I look like Thomas Jane. At least it's good.

I had no idea what was going on until episode 8. Total whoosh. I will say, I'm a history dork by history dork standards and I find it distressing how much this copies how actual wars start. Like, it's really stomach churning. I wish people wouldn't intentionally make history. This being a show, I know the war will come. It's nice seeing all these hurt, angry people try to stop it.

The character Amos is my favorite thing since Pryzylewski. I really buy him as a creature of this universe, and he's broken and wrong in ways some real people are that you don't usually see in fiction. Unfixable. I've got a "friend" I call Permanent Damage as a warning to both him and anybody who hears me call him that. He's beyond the reach of therapy. Too functional, too apparently normal until he's very not. He's kinda taken the nickname as a pass to be the way he is instead of second guessing his misguided instincts like I intended. The Jessie Plemmons character in Breaking Bad has the same bad wiring, so I guess it's probably got an entry in the DSM.

Might sound dramatic, but Game of Thrones going to hell wrecked my life. Season 3 of The Walking Dead didn't do me any favors, either. I'm watching The Expanse alone, so the only stakes are me getting disappointed, but I'd appreciate a warning if there's a rough patch coming.

Bookmark anything you want reacted to. It's my turn to be a babe in the wilderness!

Season 2 credits made me cry and I don't know why. Also, have any of you played the X series of PC games? The vibe is 1:1, especially X4.

My very very Long Term building Project.

Heres some lore i came Up With:

The USN navy Corvette Deimos was comissioned and Put into Service in the year 2612 with IT beeing the first of its class.

AS Part of the newly Formed united Sol navy it Is outfitted With a state of the Art protogen Armour system that can BE polarised to BE able to Take a lot more of a beating.

She Spans 68 Meters from top to bottom spread over a total of 12 Decks. Her armament include 32 Torpedo launch Tubes as Well AS 12 PDC cannons.

Its four massive Epstein Drives are Powered by a Central Fusion Power plant as Well AS four auxiliarry Power collectors that have the ability to Siphon the Strange Energie of the Ringgates as a secondary Power source .

She carries a compliment of 20 Crew members as Well AS two Work bees for General maintenance as Well AS repairs.

I know Ove posted IT Here before but i really wanna share the updated engines etc

(Hold up a sec. I promise this has bearing.)

A. It wasn't a horrible film. First half was kind of a slog, but it picks up. Kind of misses the camaraderie of the Guardians films it emulates.

B. BUT why I'm bringing it up here is that I realized around the film's climax that this whole movie was if "I am that guy" was made into a film. To clarify: the movie's plot arc basically mirrors Amos' preventing Prax from sullying his soul with vengeance, only to complete the vengeance himself. Only guessing involved was who would turn out to be that guy. There were two options (Supergirl & Lobo), and they picked the one that was more thematic, but made less logical sense.

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Feel free to delete this post if it's not related as closely to The Expanse as the sub wants. I just read an article on how a man lit his permanently dark village in a Norwegian valley. He used giant mirrors, Ganymede style. A good example of how the science in the show is (mostly) real, I thought.

Title. When searching for 'The Expanse' on Amazon prime video, the only result that shows up is the expanse seasons 1-3, aka the syfhy produced phase of the series pre-aquisition. I thought this was an error at first when I discovered it about 3 weeks ago, but after reporting it via customer service and seeing others reporting the same experience, it clearly is not a one user issue. The only way I was able to gain access to the full expanse library was via having the main show page in my browser history

Im hoping this is account specific but somewhat doubt it due to seeing others having issues finding the show in recent days. My best guess is this may be due to them losing streaming rights for scyfy in the near future given some publicly available info