r/SipsTea • • 21d ago

SMH 4-day week worked, so they cancelled it

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u/StockCasinoMember 21d ago

The staff showed how much they could get done in 4 days. Now they have no excuse to get more done in 5.

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u/CeruleanSovereign 21d ago

You pay for what you get. I'm worn out working 5 days so I can't get nearly as much done

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u/Wise_Monkey_Sez 21d ago

This.

Most CEOs are morons stuck in a manufacturing paradigm where they imagine that employees are doing 10 units per hour, so with more hours they must get more done!

... except most work these days is thinking work, and the more tired people get the less they get done.

As one programmer friend of mine put it, "My best programming solutions come to me on my day off."

More days off? More programming solutions. Less days off? Less programming solutions.

It isn't hard... if you're not a moron.

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u/Torontogamer 21d ago edited 21d ago

what's amazing is that they 100% get it when it comes to workers they actually see as people... fellow execs.... they get that flexibility and time off and remote work and all the rest can have a huge boost on productivity ....

but they just can't get around to thinking of the line workers as real people and professionals, they need to have the whip cracked....

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u/EkrishAO 21d ago

No, they do get it, but majority of jobs are still not "thinking jobs", but shit that cant really be done any faster. You wont do 5 days of work in 4 as a McDonalds workers or supermarket clerk or manual labourer, or a driver, etc.

And while people can live with the 0,1%, the exec class, living by different rules, society would probably explode if you also elevated the ~10-20% making up "specialist class" to that. The amount of anger and jealousy from lower class workers, would probably legit result in instant revolution.

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u/FragrantCombination7 21d ago

The quality, value, and consistency of your output at a job that is not a 'thinking job' matters to the bottom line of a company. You waste less, the product is worth more, more sales are made, turnover drops, etc. Never let anyone convince you of the lie they tell us about unskilled labor. People on the whole are not stupid, they'll get good at anything if the incentives are right. Capitalism does not provide any incentive for people to grow and learn and perform well. Capitalism crushes the effort that makes people better themselves, to be good at their work and to take pride in it. Everyone laboring deserves equality, and everyone who can not deserves to be cared for as well.

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u/DeleteFascists 21d ago

You wont do 5 days of work in 4 as a McDonalds workers or supermarket clerk or manual labourer, or a driver, etc.

There are actually loads of days that for whatever reason my Pulls to stock the floor in retail are like 3-4x higher than normal.

Does doing more work in a day mean nothing to you if that work was manual labor? Does that not count as more work? What do you consider work in a manual labor job then? The hours themselves? What do the hours do, if not tick by on a clock? Do the hours stock the shelves? Do the hours pull everything forward so it's pretty and accessible? Do the hours move the bulky shit from the back? Do the hours pick the Online Pick Up Order carts for guests? Do the hours pack those carts, stow them?

Tell me, what do these hours do?

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u/Eye_Acupuncture 21d ago

One woman is pregnant for nine months. It’s obvious that if nine women were pregnant, it would take only a month.

Simple.

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u/justsaynotocookies 21d ago

Maybe we can even add some extra babies in the pipeline, I mean, if you are already in the flow, should be easy!

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u/Eye_Acupuncture 21d ago

I’d also change the belly button placement… a general front-end rebuild, the old look is a bit worn out. A new API would be good too…

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u/ilmalocchio 21d ago

brb conducting an experiment

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u/Sad-Purchase1257 21d ago

Aren’t you done yet..?

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u/Dlfsquints 21d ago

Don’t worry I think Tyreek Hill already did one

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u/ponycorn_pet 21d ago

It's just that easy

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u/John_Yossarian 21d ago

except most work these days is thinking work

I was actually just thinking about this as I left work today, my department cut a position and now I have inherited their workload on top of my own, and literally have no time to just think about how to optimize my tasks and make things more efficient, so I'm perpetually maintaining/reacting instead of proactively improving. My boss justified the cut position by saying our team is a "well-oiled machine", but basically took away the workload buffer that allowed us to oil the damn machine in the first place. This will be an interesting year.

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u/Wise_Monkey_Sez 20d ago

I worked with Toyota a bit and even for heavy machinery they have scheduled downtime - if I recall correctly it's about 20% of the machine's operating time is "preventative maintenance", and they found that this prevents machines actually breaking which saves a ton of money.

In human resource management textbooks they recommend humans run at no more than 60% to 70% of "capacity" for entirely the same reason. When someone has had enough and quits mid-project it costs a lot more than just giving people a reasonable workload in the first place.

Sadly most CEOs are too dumb to read.

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u/dopamin778 21d ago

The thing here is most ceos will Tell you they work 16-18h a day.
But also those same ceos Go to 5 Meetings a day where they Talk about stuff and thats it.

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u/BennyVsTheWorld 21d ago

They count their transportation time. They count their meals. They could their smoke breaks if they’re in the vicinity of their office. They count any thing if they’re think about work for even one second. They are not working that many hours any day.

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u/Greyhand13 20d ago

Playing golf is networking!

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u/Sufficient-Wafer8870 21d ago

You are either Mitch Hedberg, or someone writing lyrics . . either way, I like it . .

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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 21d ago

Most CEOs are morons

biblically manipulative sociopaths that feign emotions just enough to come off like an everyman so that you, incorrectly, perceive it as stupidity, and who are

stuck in a manufacturing paradigm where they imagine that employees are doing 10 units per hour, so with more hours they must get more done!

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u/BleapDev 21d ago

As a programmer, I agree. In a meeting, I recently uttered the line, "Can we revisit that problem we identified yesterday? I was running last night and I came up with a really clever solution"

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u/PhatCatTax 21d ago

Now try being at a place where your manager pings you when you're "inactive" for more than 5 minutes. Like bro, I'm literally thinking and every time you ping me, I have to restart my thinking.

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u/wvj 21d ago

Acting like the bottleneck to output on code is how fast and long people type is just bugfuck insane.

I had one of these just this week, where I just spent a few minutes talking through a problem with someone, and it occurred to me that we had a pretty easy way to do it. The implementation was maybe an hour of work, and the vast majority of that was testing. The actual code took like 5 minutes to type.

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u/lutamlica 21d ago

exactly. i do most of the work in day driving in the car, going to the store or for a walk in the nature - all during working hours - where i can think away from messages and screens.

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u/Haunting-Vanilla1624 21d ago

I'm glad my boss doesn't do that. I don't even open Teams (shudder) most of the time. I'll sometimes go weeks without hearing a peep from him.

I suppose it helps that he's in a different state.

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u/justacheesyguy 21d ago

I don’t currently code, but when I did I used to regularly come up with the solution to things that I had been struggling with in my sleep. I would literally wake up and know how to do the thing that I had been trying to figure out.

Try putting that on a time sheet.

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u/sobrique 21d ago

Any time there's a linear correlation between 'hours worked' and 'productive output' you've a job you should have automated already.

(And most jobs where humans 'add value' are not like that, although I'll grant increasing numbers of employers are hiring 'meat robots' because they're cheaper than the metal kind)

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u/praetorian1979 21d ago

That's when you start billing them at an after hours consultant rate! 🤣

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u/junkfort 21d ago

The most reliable way for me to come up to solutions for tough problems as a software dev was to get up from my desk then go outside and take a walk. These days for a lot of jobs you'd need a mouse jiggler to get away with that.

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u/Real_Board_9313 21d ago

Exactly. I'm an aerospace engineer. My best ideas usually come on days off or vacation. My brain is too busy trying to multitask through a million things on work days to be creative or innovative.

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u/ideologyunderstander 21d ago

I'm a chef and I think of most of my best menu ideas when I'm off. It sucks because I'm working for free for bosses I hate but I can't stop myself because i like making good food u_u

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u/Ode1st 21d ago

I do my best thinking the shower

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u/Cool-Top-7973 21d ago

No, no, you don't understand: If one female can produce a child in 9 months, 9 females can produce a child in one month, it's pure logic, you see?

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u/-Invalid_Selection- 21d ago

Yeah, I come up with most of my solutions to my code issues when I'm on my off time, that I then try the next day at work.

Things take time to settle out and a solution to be determined

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u/beatisagg 21d ago

this even translates to like IT projects and stuff. Utilization hours are tracked by logged work hours on each project, etc. So when you do your timecard the number of tracked hours related directly to projects etc gets classified as 'utilized' whereas internal meetings etc don't. So guess what you stop logging? Internal anything gets attributed to a customer or something. I'm training, but i'm training this skill so i can work on X client, so i am being 'utilized'. It's moronic but they literally cannot behave in a non metric based performance view so this is what you get.

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u/PwmEsq 21d ago

I mean in construction even our execs know that you get like 100% productivity in the first 8 hours, and like 50% in the next 4 when working OT/DT.

Especially if questions or RFIs come up after hours and there is no one there to answer them.

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u/Wise_Monkey_Sez 20d ago

What's that joke? Give your job 100%!!

10% on Mondays, 20% on Tuesdays, 30% on Wednesdays, 30% on Thursdays, and 10% on Fridays!

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u/okayipullup_ordoi1 21d ago

I agree so much with your friend, my best ideas come on Sunday when I start to think about the work to do for the coming week. And on Fridays NO ONE has the energy to work as much as we do the rest of the work week, having that day off wouldn't change a thing for the company.

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u/NaiveMastermind 21d ago

If one woman can make a baby in 9 months, the 9 women can make a baby one month.

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u/ComprehensiveOwl9023 21d ago

Way to much exposition.

Most CEOs are morons

Yes.

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u/mittenkrusty 20d ago

And yet the CEO's will take the breaks they want, for as long as they want, whenever in the day they suit.

But to employees, you get a set break, often at the worst times and for many if it's busy you have to work through your break.

They are in a bubble.

In my admin/CS role due to short staff if I don't take a breather between calls even for a minute or two my work quality dips so I would still do 50+ calls even 60+ (and 10-25 emails) but I would make far more mistakes and they would make the company look bad.

If I did 35-40 calls they would all be higher quality, less issues, less frustrated customers.

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u/1gramweed2gramskief 19d ago

I mean, I work in manufacturing and even if it’s not a thinking task output decreases as the day and week wear on. Operators get sore, bored, stiff, distracted, exhausted, you name it. But outside all of this, when none or multiple of these factors are present the least productive time of the day is the first and final hour. In the beginning you have warmup and periodic maintenance for machines, planning meetings and handoffs for the people…the end of the shift has timekeeping and paperwork, machine shutdown, cleaning and washing up. With 4 days you have 2 fewer of those hours and all the same workload. Yet still we come to the factory when the bell rings…

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u/Willing-Airport2788 17d ago

As a person that works in the manufacturing world this is also annoying. I’m not a robot, my 40hrs this week isn’t the same effort as my 40hrs last week. I could get 15 units to their calculated 10 done in the same time if I have an extra day off bc I work harder. It’s like them assuming the work I do at 6am is the same as the work done at 11am. It’s not. Humans fluctuate and their work will too, the smart thing would be to have it fluctuate in ur workers favor instead of just pushing them non stop

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u/AssistanceCheap379 21d ago

Not to mention the mental anguish of “oh fuck… its only wednesday and im already fucking tired… 2 more days of this shit” can severely impact your productivity.

At the same time, having 3 day weekends can become a “well, ive done all i need to do… ive cleaned the house properly, theres a plan for the week, i got some errands done… ive watched a couple films and shows and now im just kinda bored…” so you might look a little forwards to working.

Mondays feel less exhausting when you know its a short week ans a long weekend. Even when that becomes the norm

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u/Spoon_OS 19d ago

Same, me being in the office for five days and eight hours. I can get everything done in one day and just update any changes through out the week before the Friday wrap up meeting.

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u/notaredditer13 21d ago

You get paid what the labor market will bear.  Demonstrating to your employer that you are extremely unproductive is not a power move.

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u/Paghk_the_Stupendous 21d ago

The "excuse" is the actual research shown in the initial post. 5 days is less productive than 4, and they already know that.

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u/Preeng 21d ago

You think some damn scientist knows more than a revolutionary CEO trying to hoard wealth?

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u/DudeYouHaveNoQuran 21d ago

That ceo isn’t just a revolutionary, he’s a disruptor!

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u/xaldarin 21d ago

It's a satire account, it's not real. It also says nothing about 8's vs 10's etc.

Most of the time this is brought up, it's 4 x 10's with the benefits being less commuting, longer uninterrupted weekend etc. There's will be no actual factual data showing a 20% efficiency improvement from going from 5 days to 4 days.

Schools in our area started going to 4 day weeks, so the biggest benefit for us would be no needing child care to cover that 5th day.

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u/Outrageous_Draw_1196 21d ago

Imagine 7?

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u/StockCasinoMember 21d ago

Imagine no vacations or sick days either!

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u/ProfessionalRub3294 21d ago

Yep, as runner that do 100m in 10s, no excuse to not do the 400m in 40s

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u/StockCasinoMember 21d ago

Exactly! 🤦‍♂️

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u/shes_a_gdb 21d ago

Why are you just repeating exactly what that tweet said?

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u/sgreenm22 21d ago

Except the hours are the same. You work 10 hour days instead of 8

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u/dumbyoyo 21d ago edited 21d ago

Not when done properly/humanely.

The point of experiments like this is showing less overall hours worked is actually more productive. This can be shown in both shorter work weeks and shorter work days.

The people (usually employees) that talk about stuff like four 10 hour days are not discussing this, they're trying to get an alternative that stays in the same old mentality of "40 hours is a magical number that equals a real work week".

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u/DemosthenesOrNah 21d ago

lol I had a boss decree rto 1 day a month peak covid and I told him if he made it my job to show up that's all I would do. so I sat in my chair with a mask on and scrolled reddit for 8 hours that day

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u/ThomasVetRecruiter 21d ago

Reminds me of that movie when the nazi asks the old man to make a hinge at one of the work camps while timing him, then says "and you've been here 6 hours why have you only made "X" number".

You just can't win.

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u/WorldlinessRadiant77 20d ago

It’s why I intentionally work more slowly. I have absolutely no problem getting my daily tasks done in 2.5 hours, but this will just get me more work assigned so I don’t do it.

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u/XIII-Bel 20d ago

If they can do 40 hours of work in 30 hours in one week, then they are more than able to do 80 hours of work in 60 hours in the same week

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u/DowntownLiterature2 20d ago

Nope, you have limited energy. So if you aren’t neurotic, obsessed and stupid manager, you understand that.

Or they can give people cocain 😃