r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 23h ago

PoliticalTea 🗳️ The blame game...

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u/dagoth_ith 12h ago

Look into uvalde and how even though their kids got murdered due to republican policies and inactions, they still voted red...

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u/Adept-Garbage1987 9h ago

That's a very good, and even sadder, point...

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u/TRL247 7h ago

They were murdered because someone walked in with a gun and shot them. It’s not the government’s fault every time a tragedy happens.

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u/dagoth_ith 7h ago

The response was their fault. Evidence even suggests that the cops may have shot some kids on accident. They also kept parents from helping their own children when the police refused. 

When the response from 300 cops is fumbled and kids die due to it, it's the governments fault. In this case the Republicans government for decades. 

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u/TRL247 5h ago

Yeah, I’m interested to see how you’re going to spin a bungled police response as “the Republican’s fault.” This is like blaming the 1992 LA riots on Democrats or saying the Democrats are responsible for nuking Japan because Truman happened to be a democrat.

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u/dagoth_ith 4h ago

People vote for Republican policy of dumping more money into police and the head of police, not schools. 

Shooter shows up, police do nothing and might have even shot some kids. 

People still vote for these policies and head of police, even when they botched handling a single shooter while having 300+ cops and kept parents from trying to save the children. 

Republicans policies kill people. Plain and simple. 

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u/TRL247 4h ago

Ever heard of a "non-sequitur"? Nashville PD made short work of that shooter, in another Republican controlled state. Your argument is stupid.

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u/dagoth_ith 4h ago

We aren't talking about Nashville, we are talking about uvalde and how they vote for the people who let their children die with 300 cops outside. 

But if you want to play whataboutism, what about banning abortion so more women are dying from either complications or back alley abortion? That's a Republican policy. How about the war on Iran? what about no food for kids in school for free? What about banning heat protection for workers?I can keep going on the policies of Republicans that kill people. 

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u/TRL247 4h ago

It’s not whataboutism it’s proof that you made a broad generalization that’s untrue

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u/ColoYellow 5h ago

When that government refuses to address the real gun problem in this country and refuses to address the funding for mental health (well really health in general) then it is a government problem.

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u/TRL247 5h ago

There is no "gun problem" in the US. Columbine happened in the middle of the Assault Weapons ban that everyone thinks will fix this problem. The US also did not fund any kind of mental health for most of it's existence when teenagers would literally drive to school with a rifle in their vehicle. There were no school shootings then.

But nobody wants to blame the real problem: Parents that have raised undisciplined children. This is a direct response to the organized and deliberate destruction of the family.

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u/BodegaCat11 4h ago

Is America the only country with bad parents? Or the only one with so many guns per capita?

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u/TRL247 4h ago

Terrorism and school attacks happen in other countries, they just don't happen with guns.

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u/BodegaCat11 4h ago

Yes. That’s why they see one or two people die and not dozens in each attack. Not to mention there are far fewer!

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u/TRL247 4h ago

Yeah, I know you believe the hype because you just said “dozens.” It’s extremely rare for a mass shooting in the US to have more than 4 victims, rarer still to have a dozen. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

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u/BodegaCat11 4h ago

Definitions vary, but mass shootings are usually considered to be ones where there are 4 or more victims. So it makes sense that most are at that level. But in any case, my point was that the attacks you read about abroad are in this range because they are so rare. The ones you read about in the U.S. often need to have a bigger body count just to make the news. My point is that no one is pulling off a Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, Pulse Night Club, Mandalay Bay, El Paso Walmart, Parkland, Uvalde or any of the many, many more that have dozens — way more than four — victims with a knife.

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u/TRL247 2h ago

I don’t know about that. There were two shootings with 10+ victims in Austria and Sweden last year. And of course there was the tragic Moscow shooting that killed 149 people in 2024. The problem is, his kind of thing barely registers in American news, or if it does, we simply don’t remember it. The attacks we read about abroad are actually quite a bit more significant than just 4 people. So really, those kinds of Uvalde, Pulse night club, etc. type events are happening abroad. We just don’t really hear too much about them.

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u/ColoYellow 3h ago

Not very many.

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u/BodegaCat11 4h ago

After a child with a curable disease dies because their parents didn’t vaccinate them or take them to the hospital

“They died because a virus got in there and killed them. It’s not the parents’ fault every time a tragedy happens.”

Okay, bud!

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u/TRL247 4h ago

"Curable disease" is carrying significant baggage about the idea that gun violence is curable.

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u/BodegaCat11 4h ago

Have you even bothered to look up whether other countries banned guns after mass shootings and what happened after? Australia is a notable example, and It’s quite literally a famous argument FOR gun control.

Just a cursory google brought up these. Hope they help.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounders/us-gun-policy-global-comparisons

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10688419/

https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/world/can-legislation-prevent-mass-shootings

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u/TRL247 4h ago

Australia does not border Mexico which is a famous argument AGAINST gun control, which also tightly regulates firearm possession and still has a gun homicide rate 4 times higher than the US. So I’m glad for Australia, but Australia doesn’t guarantee success when there are so many failed examples like Mexico.

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u/BodegaCat11 4h ago

Look, man, I’m from the south. I know how important guns can be for a sense of identity, community, and safety. I totally support people’s rights to have certain firearms — like hunting rifles and shotguns etc — for sport and safety. There are also some measures, like required courses or memberships to hunting clubs etc, and technologies, like fingerprint triggers, that could make even more powerful and specialized guns safe to own and use. But the problem we have is we are pumping out weapons of war without much care for where they end up or who ultimately uses them. They end up in the hands of troubled people here, sure. But I’m glad you brought up Mexico because they also end up in the hands of violent criminals abroad. That is often overlooked in this debate, but you spotted it. Guns and ammo legally purchased in the U.S. often cross the southern border, where they help cartels enact incredible levels of violence. (The NYT even had a a story this year about how much of the ammo the cartels use was made by a U.S. Army plant that makes the same ammo for the civilian market.) And that violence causes both immigrants and illicit drugs to flow into our country.

Australia maybe worked because it isn’t close to the U.S. But Mexico has to deal with both us and cartels.

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u/TRL247 2h ago

It’s not really as simple as you make it. You ought to look up Operation Fast and Furious sometime where the government intentionally allowed US gun laws to be broken in order to do exactly what you are describing. Those guns are still found today at crime scenes. That wasn’t just legal guns being smuggled to Mexico, that was a bungled operation to track guns into Mexico.

But the interesting part about that, the ATF had to intervene and allow that to happen. The ATF had to allow exactly what you describe (straw purchasing) to take place. So we do already have fairly strict rules and enforcement that prevents straw purchasing. I won’t deny that it happens, but I also want to point out it’s significantly more complex than just a legal gun is bought in the US and taken to Mexico.